tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post855530668621014047..comments2024-01-11T01:57:35.032-08:00Comments on VEGANISM: A TRUTH WHOSE TIME HAS COME: Exploring the Truth of Vitamin B12 and VegansM. (known as) "Butterflies" Katz http://www.blogger.com/profile/03230376971619819126noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-52001813963007049892020-07-17T09:41:42.323-07:002020-07-17T09:41:42.323-07:00Thank you for sharing this information.Thank you for sharing this information.zoehttp://vorstcanada.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-41368868349928005582017-12-28T00:35:40.647-08:002017-12-28T00:35:40.647-08:00The entire information is really good and some goo...The entire information is really good and some good insights available. Looking forward to do more clicks. Shanayahttps://www.vitasave.ca/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-9319363553051209502016-03-18T12:11:56.430-07:002016-03-18T12:11:56.430-07:00To the last commenter about spirulina and B12
I w...To the last commenter about spirulina and B12<br /><br />I would not rely on spirulina for B12 as it has B12 analog that measures as B12 in blood tests, but it is actually not B12. Chlorella is better, if you want to get it from a green powder...according to science, not people selling a product. M. (known as) "Butterflies" Katz https://www.blogger.com/profile/03230376971619819126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-22937725156664759372016-03-18T04:53:20.792-07:002016-03-18T04:53:20.792-07:00Does anyone know about spirulina? I can not find a...Does anyone know about spirulina? I can not find a definitive answer if it contains b12.....my bottle says it does, but I'm hearing conflicting answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-13137516894426479932016-01-24T17:21:17.412-08:002016-01-24T17:21:17.412-08:00Optimal levels of B12 do exist, it's only unfo...Optimal levels of B12 do exist, it's only unfortunate that meat eaters take credit for it. Before chlorination of our water supply b12 was widely available through water consumption, like say a Mammoth pooped down stream or something. So this is not a case of meat eater population biased, rather a product of modern sterilization techniques that have destroyed B12 that would have otherwise Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03804634263358317832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-60173335316246170592015-05-15T06:58:40.293-07:002015-05-15T06:58:40.293-07:00For those of you who struggle to absorb enough B12...For those of you who struggle to absorb enough B12 properly in the gut, I recently heard about a new oral prescription alternative to the injections called Eligen B12. I recently read that it works even if you don't have intrinsic factor (so even if you don't have normal gut absorption). Apparently it came out a month or two ago. Has anyone heard of it or tried it??Chloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07706074665199363518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-70804164935459500712015-02-24T05:57:09.009-08:002015-02-24T05:57:09.009-08:00Poor sweet animals :(
http://live-counter.com/anim...Poor sweet animals :(<br />http://live-counter.com/animals-killed-worldwide/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-44774501017446420942014-10-14T04:02:55.873-07:002014-10-14T04:02:55.873-07:00"Vitamin B12, no matter where it is sourced f..."Vitamin B12, no matter where it is sourced from, is a microbe or bacteria produced by micro-organisms"<br /><br />This is NOT true. <br /><br />As part of their metabolism, bacteria synthesize a compound that looks like this:http://0.tqn.com/d/chemistry/1/0/U/R/1/cobalamin.jpg<br /><br />That compound is Vitamin B12. As you can see it is not a bacterium or any other type of organism. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-87334694938910834652014-08-21T15:27:08.583-07:002014-08-21T15:27:08.583-07:00Hello again anonymous
I am vegan so don't do ...Hello again anonymous<br /><br />I am vegan so don't do pharmaceuticals as they are tested on animals (unless a rare emergency) - so I don't advocate support of Pfizer and Bayer<br /><br />The B12 tablets are from companies that grow B12 in labs - sold in health food stores.<br /><br />I'm not offering disinformation. I tried in this article to represent differing views. But the M. (known as) "Butterflies" Katz https://www.blogger.com/profile/03230376971619819126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-76484322003303443432014-08-21T14:01:56.975-07:002014-08-21T14:01:56.975-07:00There is scientific proof against that too. It'...There is scientific proof against that too. It's just not granting much profit to say you're free to eat the way you were genetically meant to do. That's probably why you didn't come across it.<br />Science? Market? Medicine? Is there any difference nowadays?<br />Anyway, it seems as if you're missing the point. I can't translate all that stuff to English but I will maybe Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-62877508526671302872014-08-21T12:25:43.777-07:002014-08-21T12:25:43.777-07:00Anonymous - I have no reason to lie as I'm not...Anonymous - I have no reason to lie as I'm not profiting off the sales of B12. I am very truthful and have a desire to share honest information with vegans and everyone.<br /><br />Many doctors and scientists say that B12 stores in the body for a long time. I also was vegetarian for 10 years prior to being vegan, since age 12, - and so I never was getting any B12 and never had any built up inM. (known as) "Butterflies" Katz https://www.blogger.com/profile/03230376971619819126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-42700616485953324912014-08-21T07:02:54.715-07:002014-08-21T07:02:54.715-07:00I have evidence to confirm what I said, it's j...I have evidence to confirm what I said, it's just not in English so you probably wouldn't understand those documents.<br />This evidence has me understand that you're either lying or doing it wrong.<br />That's incredible, our body can store stuff for 25 years and then runs out.. super logical is to believe it runned out eventually XDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-73600447018529836362014-08-20T13:21:28.415-07:002014-08-20T13:21:28.415-07:00To the last anonymous commenter: I have a super hi...To the last anonymous commenter: I have a super high quality diet: whole foods and veganic and organic mostly. I also happen to be a faster and I don't have any problems with my body - it's just that I ran out of my B12 stores and need to supplement. This was not true the first 25 years of being vegan - but after that and once I hit over 50 years of age, I needed to supplement. I have M. (known as) "Butterflies" Katz https://www.blogger.com/profile/03230376971619819126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-45370207727484802532014-08-20T07:41:09.022-07:002014-08-20T07:41:09.022-07:00Veganism is a religion. You need to justify your g...Veganism is a religion. You need to justify your god called Vegan and prove their teachings to mankind are the best. You want your B12 tablets? Pharmaceutical lobbies want you to take them too. That's a perfect match. Who knows who holds the power to convince you you need something you don't.. like kilos of proteins a day...<br />And in the meanwhile everybody forgets how to use their ownAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-38994699524250881332014-06-16T01:20:29.330-07:002014-06-16T01:20:29.330-07:00Many meat eaters believe B12 is not a problem for ...Many meat eaters believe B12 is not a problem for them because they get it from meat, and the animals they eat get it from what they consume. This is also a fallacy. Most farm animals get it by supplementation. Farmers INJECT their animals with B12 because farm animals typically have a B12 deficiency for the same reason humans do - inadequate, commercially produced diets. Don't believe me? GoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-64868673946865578882014-05-19T10:17:22.817-07:002014-05-19T10:17:22.817-07:00Hello Raw Advantage,
Thanks for your comment. I&#...Hello Raw Advantage,<br /><br />Thanks for your comment. I've never read or heard that the fortified B12 in nutritional yeast is analogue, no. It isn't. <br /><br />And yes, I did mention in the article along with a link to a scientific study showing chlorella might be one of the few<br />food sources of real B12. Also some kombucha drinks and other fermented foods for probiotics may haveM. (known as) "Butterflies" Katz https://www.blogger.com/profile/03230376971619819126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-23568693202029526642014-05-19T10:07:48.174-07:002014-05-19T10:07:48.174-07:00Blessings and thanks for this post!
I am curious, ...Blessings and thanks for this post!<br />I am curious, Research I have seen points to Nutritional Yeast having Anolougs as well yet I see it being pointed to in this article a lot, can you comment? Also have you looked into Chlorella, there seems to be growing evidence it contains bio-available b12 and little to no anolougs.<br />Hope to hear back, thanks again, great read! :)<br />Much the-raw-advantagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16848536998282806361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-57233362170381554552014-03-21T16:20:19.764-07:002014-03-21T16:20:19.764-07:00To the last anonymous person leaving a comment: Yo...To the last anonymous person leaving a comment: Your questions shows that you have not read the article. Vitamin B12, no matter where it is sourced from, is a microbe or bacteria produced by micro-organisms. It can be made in a sterile factory, or you can kill another animal and eat his/her guts to get theirs (unethical), or you can try chlorella (but it may not be reliable, though it is M. (known as) "Butterflies" Katz https://www.blogger.com/profile/03230376971619819126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-55779512141705540042014-03-21T07:30:10.168-07:002014-03-21T07:30:10.168-07:00Hi - am making the transition to vegan and am trou...Hi - am making the transition to vegan and am troubled by the B12 question. What exactly is the source of the B12 in supplements/fortified foods? If it's from a non-vegan source, then I'm troubled. If it is from a vegan source - I would rather consume the source product than purchase a supplement or eat fortified foods. All thoughts on this welcome! RachelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-90025224691840669572013-11-14T10:58:35.714-08:002013-11-14T10:58:35.714-08:00Hi, Great article overall, balanced, informative a...Hi, Great article overall, balanced, informative and sensible. It's unfortunate that some interpret this as scare-mongering -- we should do what the gorillas do? Gorillas eat their own poo. Big, grassy, stringy chunks of poo. Whatever floats your boat I guess but I think I'll stick to my weekly sublingual! :) Basic anatomy explains this. Your stomach is followed by your small intestines, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-51365342463555888052013-09-17T05:58:27.464-07:002013-09-17T05:58:27.464-07:00To Chuck Bluestein - generally - it takes about 20...To Chuck Bluestein - generally - it takes about 20-25 years for deficiency to show up in vegans, it's more of a long term vegan problem, as B12 stores can store in the body for about 20 years. <br /><br />But there have been vegans who were deficient at 5 years, and some that won't ever get deficient. Everyone is different and has different habits/diet. M. (known as) "Butterflies" Katz https://www.blogger.com/profile/03230376971619819126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-53996616785916095132013-09-17T04:02:58.443-07:002013-09-17T04:02:58.443-07:00Everyday Athena, Some people have a problem like a...Everyday Athena, Some people have a problem like a bad balance of good and bad bacteria in their intestines and cannot use vitamin B-12 that they take orally.<br /><br />A friend of mine Erica Robinson has a year left to be an ND and has studied it and she gets a vitamin B-12 injection.<br /><br />At the other end you have Freelee and her boyfriend who get checked for vitamin B-12 levels and theyChuck Bluesteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01291807414895185920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-5993232656255122812013-05-23T20:33:04.331-07:002013-05-23T20:33:04.331-07:00Hi Phillipe - I was not around back then so can...Hi Phillipe - I was not around back then so can't tell you for sure, but I am guessing that they were not as sanitary and got some of the microorganisms from the plants they ate out of the ground. I also don't think they were strictly vegan. Humans are evolving quite literally to be able to thrive living as a vegan. We're in evolutionary process. that's my take on it...I'm M. (known as) "Butterflies" Katz https://www.blogger.com/profile/03230376971619819126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-52271227528100476432013-05-23T19:18:42.523-07:002013-05-23T19:18:42.523-07:00How did prehistoric people who didn't have acc...How did prehistoric people who didn't have access to supplement used to get their B12? How did Homo Erectus, 2.5 million years ago get his B12? How did the first Homo Sapiens get their B12. Note that I'm a vegan and also at the origin of some of the footage you can see in Vegucated and Earhtlings. So I'm not trying to pick a fight here. I need your opinion. Thanks.<br />Philippephilippe Orlandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04664824903278522067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646498579516232721.post-91342395698993232502013-04-24T20:08:22.179-07:002013-04-24T20:08:22.179-07:00Everyday Athena - a shot is warranted when one is ...Everyday Athena - a shot is warranted when one is diagnosed very depleted. Otherwise, I have supplemented with dots/tabs and sublinguals for years and have been tested many times and they work just fine, so why would anyone choose a shot over a drop under the tongue? We need so little, that a shot is not necessary. Also the shot is water soluble - so will just leave the body soon. M. (known as) "Butterflies" Katz https://www.blogger.com/profile/03230376971619819126noreply@blogger.com